[Yien]

And sitting at 60 to "train your skills" is still camping

Uh that made your whole post irrelevant buddy. Ok im sorry im need to do 20 quests at 60 to train 2nd attack or bash, but im class camping.

[Cyrell]

Your point weakens with each post you make. As a first classer I never got more than 2 practices a quest. So now you're going to have to do 25 quests instead of 20? Boo hoo.

[Bostitch]

If you don't like easy quests with moderate rewards don't quest in sigil.

:whistle:

[Yien]

(From Cyrell):
Your point weakens with each post you make. As a first classer I never got more than 2 practices a quest. So now you're going to have to do 25 quests instead of 20? Boo hoo.

You get more retarded each time you make a post. Seriously I have no clue what your talking about... I was refering to him saying that if train essential skills with quests at the top of the class that is called class camping, which it is not. Nothing about me having to do more quests or whatever you are trying to say.

[Cyrell]

Boo hoo.

[Goatleaf]

The whole idea of "Lets punish everyone" because some people love questing is ludicrous. Drop the quest limit to 500, boost every quest reward by one practice. 500 is a large number for first class, and will make first class more fun while shorter. Stop bursting veins over someone wanting one zarking practice more.

[Unbeliever]

Isn't that what you are doing?

[Goatleaf]

Shrug, I don't consider 500 quests instead of 1000 a great punishment if rewards are increased.

[Unbeliever]

I recant my statement then. It was hard to discern which side you were on for a second.

[Cerryl]

One word: Templeton.

[Bostitch]

Posted: 07-21-2005 09:14 pm Post subject: Re: This Quest is Called ' w t f '

Three words: Get a life.

[Evighetens]

Who are you to decide what is too "time-consuming" for first class quests? Rewards are earned, not given. I'm entirely of the opinion that quests like the following:

This quest is called 'Verity Isle?!', for Adventurers levels 50 to 59.
Lord Vendredi is the master in charge of this quest.
Description of Verity Isle?!:
Lord Vendredi can see you now. Two Silver Knights, their pauldrons and axes gleaming in the Audience Rooms amber light, escort you to Sigil's sovereign. Your brand new shimmering white cloak flutters in the mild castle air. Lord Vendredi looks over a stack of quest papers. Hmm. Too easy. Too hard. Way too easy! Ah! He pauses and smiles at you. Yes, this is the one. Your palms are sweaty and you mentally check over all your equipment. Yes, you are ready. I've caught a fancy for the worlds edge near the land of the fey. Simply put, I want you to journey to Verity Isle and report back to me about the climate and creatures. By the way can you also check the Tower of Riga and see how the Sidhe are fairing? I may want to use my merchant connections to hire some of them as mercenaries. You scratch your head and wonder, Verity Isle? As if to read your thoughts, Lord Vendredi answers, Yes, Verity Isle. As you leave, he yells out, Be safe, my friend, be safe!
Upon successful completion of this quest you can receive up
to 35 quest points, 10 practice points, 40000 experience points, and 30000 gold pieces.
You have 500 minutes remaining to complete this quest.
Verity Isle?! consists of:
Phase 1:	Visit a recently-retired adventurer.
Phase 2:	Journey to Before a Pair of Studded Black Iron Gates.
Phase 3:	Defeat a dracon assassin.
Phase 4:	Journey to An Overgrown, Vine-Covered Courtyard.
Phase 5:	Recover a black tourmaline.
Phase 6:	Journey to Grand Staircase.

not only enable, but promote class-camping. And to elucidate a prior point, the majority of the time people spend at 60, training "necessary skills", you could of gotten accomplished questing during leveling and been done for. And far too many skills are thought of as "necessary." I've seen people saying "yeah, i maxed scribe, now to erase." Sheer idiocy.

[Cyrell]

Compared to all the other 1-2 prac first class Sigil quests, I hardly think that one quest "encourages class camping" as you put it. The "class campers" are all in Templeton. That being said, the practices are a little high, agreed. But could it not simply be taken as a pleasant change from all the miserable rewards that Vendredi gives out for those people who don't want to leave Sigil? A reward for all your patience?

[Waylander]

Evighetens just like to point out that quest is for level 50 to 59 not to level 60 so that quest will only be available a finite amount of times

[Evighetens]

I'm quite capable of noticing that, however, as was pointed out, there are a cornucopia of 5-8, sometimes 9 practice quests in Templeton that are just as easy. I've found very few in second equally rewarding, though I don't really care about overall difficuluty as long as I can do it solo. Regardless, I'm doing what I can to get to hero because I'd rather camp there than at 60, 120 or 180.

[Calum]

Thanks Aethyn

[Perish]

You knew the rewards were reduced before you started playing on another 1st classer.

Spare us the drama.

[Veerat]

I still don't understand why anyone (including myself) gives a rat's ass - and I have one too...in my pocket - whether someone else camps 60, 120, does 1000 quests, has OS stuff, etc. If you don't like a quest, don't do it. If someone has cool stuff, figure out how to get it. It's that simple.... :snooty:

[Klaus]

Dude....

if these posts are a good view of events to come, id rather you all keep class camping so I dont have to shudder everytime you decide to use pktalk C or archontalk.

Please, stay at your level forever. If not for you own good, but for my sanity.

[Veerat]

Templeton is not to blame for class camping, it's the idea that a person needs *pro wrestler imitation voice* "EVERY PROFICIENCY FULLY PRACTICED!!" *end pro wrestler voice*. It's the mentality that if a person can get almost everything trained and by Hero have literally everything at 75% or better then by default they'll kick ass. Or maybe they're just stupid...did anything think of that? :whistle:

[Fefnir]

Well I am OBVIOUSLY a camper and have about 930 quests done, but when I hit hero my hitpoints wont be maxed and I like it that way. I already got max stats (fits my character concept) so I will miss out on 2 stat bonuses but oh well. I am more about the story than the munchkining of my character. As for high PP quests I like them. Not the easy ones (well of course if I get them I will do them) but the world ones. My favorite temp quest is the around the world visting town squares for 7PPs. I like that one :mrgreen: And even though I will hit my 1000th quest I will NOT have 1000 hps (with gear and my aura yes) and I will only have 600 PPs to carry over. :mrgreen:

As Veerat put it :

***Dons his asbestos suit**

:mrgreen:

[Veerat]

Hehe, well, I'll lighten up and say that not ALL class campers have this mentality, some people just like to do it. However, I have come across a fair number of (newer, I assume) players who have got "archon-envy" and just seem to think that in order to have fun/compete/be successful they need to max every prof and stat. Can you be "unsuccessful" at this game? You certainly can fail certain aspects like quests but the game overall?