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#1 Drebar

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:34 PM

This quest is called 'What's Wrong With Our Parks?', for Adventurers levels 60 to 120.
Lady Templeton is the master in charge of this quest.
Description of What's Wrong With Our Parks?:
The state of the greenery in Templeton has been on my mind recently. I have heard rumors that my neighbor Lord Templeton has better parks than we do. This is this very disappointing to hear after spending so much of our budget on maintaining Black Wolf Park and Augustus Park. Templeton residents need places to relax outdoors and we need to ensure the quality of the parks. Would you please visit both of our parks and observe their environments for yourself. Take note of who visits the parks as well as the health of the flora and fauna. Do not forget to visit the park keeper's house in Augustus Park to ask if there have been any trouble recently. If there is deal with it promptly. Then please go to Tellerium and visit their parks. It has been a while since I have personally gone to either of them. I would like a report on what you think the differences are. Also, I would like to know what our residents think on the matter. Finally, visit our specialist on plants. You will find her in her shop Plentiful Plants located in the market square. She might be able to give us some hints on how to better maintain our parks.
Upon successful completion of this quest you can receive up
to 60 quest points, 4 practice points, 30000 experience points, and 12000 gold pieces.
You have 210 minutes remaining to complete this quest.
What's Wrong With Our Parks? consists of:
Phase 1: Journey to Park Keeper's House.
Phase 2: Journey to Augustus Park.
Phase 3: Journey to Black Wolf Park.
Phase 4: Defeat 2 of a gang member.
Phase 5: Defeat 2 of a hidden thief.
Phase 6: Visit a rich citizen.
Phase 7: Visit a poor citizen.
Phase 8: Journey to Howell Park Pond.
Phase 9: Journey to Garden of Champions.
Phase 10: (Hidden goal).


Lady Templeton is the master in charge of this quest.

I have heard rumors that my neighbor Lord Templeton

no

and with 10 things and a hidden goal... only 4 pracs.. raise that a bit too

#2 Blackx

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:43 PM

would you like us to give you a massage and max all your stats while you're sitting on your ass because you're too lazy to do a quest?

#3 Drebar

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:57 PM

lol i did the quest... just the description is messed up

and 4 pracs for a 120... no 60 fine but either make it 60- x=<120 or make the reward better

#4 Vittra

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:02 PM

I imagine it's 4 for a 120 because it's easy?

#5 Scrooge

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:09 PM

4 pracs should be the absolute max for any 2nd class quest.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:21 PM

4 pracs should be an average.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:26 PM

.. at that level.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:32 PM

I agree with Scrooge.

You are also solely focusing on pracs in the reward and pointedly omitting the very generous compensation in other forms of reward:

60 quest points, 4 practice points, 30000 experience points, and 12000 gold pieces.





*side grumble* You're gonna love archon. QM: I'm humbled by your noble presence.. here's a crappy 3 pp/10 qp quest that I actually expect you to LEAVE THE ROOM to earn LOL @ U!

#9 Drebar

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 10:28 PM

but at my level i dont really need qp stuff... im level 60 so the exp is wasted... so mainly 9its gold and prac's that i quest for... and the pracs arent good in comparison with what most of my quests are... and its got a hidden goal... which u guys havent yet mentioned

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:28 PM

This quest is called 'What's Wrong With Our Parks?', for Adventurers levels 60 to 120.
Lady Templeton is the master in charge of this quest.
Description of What's Wrong With Our Parks?:
The state of the greenery in Templeton has been on my mind recently. I have heard rumors that my neighbor Lord Templeton has better parks than we do. This is this very disappointing to hear after spending so much of our budget on maintaining Black Wolf Park and Augustus Park. Templeton residents need places to relax outdoors and we need to ensure the quality of the parks. Would you please visit both of our parks and observe their environments for yourself. Take note of who visits the parks as well as the health of the flora and fauna. Do not forget to visit the park keeper's house in Augustus Park to ask if there have been any trouble recently. If there is deal with it promptly. Then please go to Tellerium and visit their parks. It has been a while since I have personally gone to either of them. I would like a report on what you think the differences are. Also, I would like to know what our residents think on the matter. Finally, visit our specialist on plants. You will find her in her shop Plentiful Plants located in the market square. She might be able to give us some hints on how to better maintain our parks.
Upon successful completion of this quest you can receive up
to 60 quest points, 4 practice points, 30000 experience points, and 12000 gold pieces.
You have 210 minutes remaining to complete this quest.


Hidden goals are almost always mentioned in the quest description.

#11 Vittra

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:30 PM

(From Drebar):
but at my level i dont really need qp stuff... im level 60 so the exp is wasted... so mainly 9its gold and prac's that i quest for... and the pracs arent good in comparison with what most of my quests are... and its got a hidden goal... which u guys havent yet mentioned



THEN DO A DIFFERENT QUEST.

#12 Scrooge

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:48 PM

Multiclassing is always an option.

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 03:01 AM

OK, just to give my two cents here. I'm a level-60 character like you, Drebar.

This quest is pretty easy (takes about 10 IRL minutes or so), the qp are great, the gold is great, and the pp are acceptable.

So, the only thing about this quest that needs to be changed is making "Lord Templeton" read "Lord Telleri".

If I don't like a quest, I just turn it down. You could do the same for this one.

#14 Drebar

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 12:44 PM

DAMNIT i DID the QUEST and my MAIN complaint was the our neighbor lord templeton

sheesh...

hello ? immy ? fix please

#15 Drebar

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:51 PM

immy?

#16 Vassago

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 08:20 PM

We've fixed it for next reboot. If you want to talk directly to an Imm, in the future I suggest you email petition.

#17 Drebar

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 12:41 PM

thank you for fixing vass

#18 Scrooge

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 03:51 PM

You're welcome. Next time he gets exposed to water, just turn him off and let him dry out. He should work fine.

#19 Drebar

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 12:53 AM

ok huh?

#20 Vittra

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 02:13 PM

(From Vassago):
We've fixed it for next reboot. If you want to talk directly to an Imm, in the future I suggest you email petition.



Isn't that removing the entire point of this section of the forums?

#21 Nergal

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:31 PM

This quest is called 'What's Wrong With Our Parks?', for Adventurers levels 60 to 120.
Lady Templeton is the mistress in charge of this quest.
Description of What's Wrong With Our Parks?:
The state of the greenery in Templeton has been on my mind recently. I
have heard rumors that my neighbor Lord Telleri has better parks than we do.
This is this very disappointing to hear after spending so much of our budget
on maintaining Black Wolf Park and Augustus Park. Templeton residents need
places to relax outdoors and we need to ensure the quality of the parks.
Would you please visit both of our parks and observe their environments for
yourself. Take note of who visits the parks as well as the health of the
flora and fauna. Do not forget to visit the park keeper's house in Augustus
Park to ask if there have been any trouble recently. If there is deal with
it promptly. Then please go to Tellerium and visit their parks. It has
been a while since I have personally gone to either of them. I would like a
report on what you think the differences are. Also, I would like to know
what our residents think on the matter. Finally, visit our specialist on
plants. You will find her in her shop Plentiful Plants located in the
market square. She might be able to give us some hints on how to better
maintain our parks.
Upon successful completion of this quest you can receive up
to 60 quest points, 4 practice points, 30000 experience points, and 12000 gold pieces.
You have 62 minutes remaining to complete this quest.
What's Wrong With Our Parks? consists of:
Phase 1: *Journey to Park Keeper's House.
Phase 2: *Journey to Augustus Park.
Phase 3: *Journey to Black Wolf Park.
Phase 4: *Defeat 2/2 of a gang member.
Phase 5: *Defeat 2/2 of a hidden thief.
Phase 6: *Visit a rich citizen.
Phase 7: *Visit a poor citizen.
Phase 8: *Journey to Howell Park Pond.
Phase 9: *Journey to Garden of Champions.
Phase 10: *(Hidden goal)

There you go.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 10:53 PM

I agree with Scrooge.

You are also solely focusing on pracs in the reward and pointedly omitting the very generous compensation in other forms of reward:


Let's face it, the majority of the playerbase quest solely for PP and QP, as questing is the only really consistent way to frequently gain enough practices to build a character in a decent amount of time. So it would be obvious why he focuses solely on the PP aspect.

This is why we have class campers. The average amount of PP for quests in every class (excluding first class) is far too low. People seem to think first class quests are so horribly over-rewarding when it comes to the practices, but I'm afraid that those of you who feel that way are horribly mistaken. There's nothing wrong with having 5-7pp quests at level 60. The problem is that everything above level 60 is totally under-rewarding. And since this is the case, I think most of you feel the need to say that first class quests need to be tweaked down because of how easy they are. Wrong.

The average PP gained from quests should be:

First class: 4-7, no less.
Second class: 5-8, no less
Third class: 7-10, no less
Fourth Class: 8-12, no less
Archon: 10+ no less.

If it means that most all of the quests need tweaking when it comes to the phases, so be it. But I always hear how much people dislike class camping (I hear it from the staff quite a bit), and lowering ANY aspect of quest rewards is NOT the way to fix it.

#23 Scrooge

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:08 PM

No. The default state was for quests in general to reward less than the current mean. They were inflated slowly, mostly through player submissions. The numbers you're quoting are the breakdown of the system, not the working state.

#24 Zaknafein

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 04:21 PM

zarkin a...I don't know wtf is up with everyone. First, I wouldn't complain about this quest...jesus..even if the zarking name was wrong..who the zark cares?! lolz :P I personally think 5 is the average quest for level 60, at least that's how it is for me. I don't see why these quests are being changed though...refering to those high pp first class quests. If you all think it's not fair when you compare it to the bs hero/archon's get ...why not bitch about hero/archon quests getting raised instead of 60-120 quests being lowered... I don't know about any of you, but I really don't want to be playing this game, just so I can achieve the goals I've set for myself, when I'm over 25 years old..that just seems wrong..heh. :doh: Anyway, this is more of an extention of what I was saying on dragonburner's quest discussion.

#25 Solus

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 06:03 PM

I personally think 5 is the average quest for level 60, at least that's how it is for me. I don't see why these quests are being changed though...refering to those high pp first class quests. If you all think it's not fair when you compare it to the bs hero/archon's get ...why not bitch about hero/archon quests getting raised instead of 60-120 quests being lowered


Well... *quotes himself from the other thread*

"Well, if you consider the history of questing...

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Originally, 4 practices for a lowbie quest was the standard good reward. Then, Pascal submitted some quests that surpassed the difficulty of an Archon quest and they rewarded accordingly. Thus, a bunch of 7-9 practice lowbie quests existed.

People then started submitting various lowbie quests with similair rewards but no difficulity.

Eventually, this got so bad an Immortal went through the quests and fixed a bunch of them, nonetheless, the incident left its mark on questing. No longer was a 4 practice quest good.
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Archon quests remained the same and allow players to develop at the intended rate. Lowbie quests, on the otherhand, have changed, and now lowbies develop faster than they were originally."