[Minotorious]

(From Elana):
:love: I don't know why i lose my interest in players the higher I level them past 120, maybe it is the endless leveling, maybe it is the quests that send me all over the world or take an hour to do. I can't pinpoint the exact reason yet, although I do wonder why all the time.

:cball: Dragonburner, maybe you should try questing Templeton these days she offers 1, 2, and 3 practice quests more than she offers 4 practice quests let alone 5 or 6 practice ones. I turned down 7, 3 practice quests in a row tonight to get a 4 practice one. (and FYI i do quest before level 60 and from 61-120 so I dont only do 4500 quests at 4 practice plus thanks.

Not everyone can get 60 marks by 120 immortals disable marks al the time, or change them and not everyone relies on marks to accomplish there goals.

Stop assuming everyone is built to do everything the way you did or assume they should do it. Everyone plays there own way WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

:bdie: Solus, my immortal toggable idea, was with the agreement of not being able to PK at all (not even LPK) if that is what would satisfy one group of anti-class-camping-people. I would agree to just about any restriction *except giving up my practices and quest points gotta be able to practice my skills and train stats [and i dont mean hp's sp's and stamina] and get a decanter, a mail box, a piggy bank, silk bags and reagent makers) i would even agree to not getting gold from the quest itself provided the mobs i killed for quest or between quests were not affected by the gold ban.


:yy: I just want to be able to quest and play a ranger / priest or a wizard / priest until I WAS SATISFIED WITH IT - not until only teh essentials was done, or only what dragonburned deems as needed was done, or only what someone else would do. I want to play MY CHARACTER, MY WAY, UNTIL I AM HAPPY WITH IT.

I don't begrudge anyone who power levels, pk's, role plays (only), quests (only) or plays with a combination of everything.

:clock: I have tried everything, runs bore me especially when the loot is piss poor and not what we were hoping for, pk heh its part of the game and im not one to avoid it or to run head first into it, I have played CTF, chess isn't my game, im not a big gambler although slots can be addictive, i like the treasure maps, but they cost too much and are on the wrong continent for my personal preference, i do kill mobs alot, I have attempted and maybe even accomplished mini's and marks without having to look them up on some website, I have been to decara and surrounding areas, the faerie plane, atlantis, OV, both ships, and to every continent and quested every quest master including the keep on one character or another.

Questing at 60 or 120 is still the most enjoyable thing for me.

I hope everyone in MM can find something they enjoy and enjoy it without being forced to make new characters, or to multi where there enjoyment is diminished.

If i email you ROM mud server, show you how to connect to it running on your own computer, and load it full of dozens of stock areas and thousands of quests for you with unlimited questing and no timer, will you go play that and shut the zark up?

[Solus]

How the zark you going to whine about something, if you've chosen to accept substandard rewards.

I'm not whining about not maxing. I'm simply pointing out your wrong, stating I don't like the limit, and explaining why.

Also, I have explained why the limit exists in the first place.

Though I don't like the limit and it hindered my enjoyment of the game, I felt the change was justified at the time. *still wishes my alt could have got a trunk*

[Minotorious]

(From Elana):

If i email you ROM mud server, show you how to connect to it running on your own computer, and load it full of dozens of stock areas and thousands of quests for you with unlimited questing and no timer, will you go play that and shut the zark up?

No I will not go play there, and I will not shut up I have invested hours here into MM and I am not gonna go walk away from that investment just to please you (of all people).

No the game will not change just to please you (of all people).

[Minotorious]

(From Elana):
You make me laugh - I am not the only one who would enjoy a quest alt that is not limited!

So how about you try and come up with valid reasons as to why it would be a bad change (make sure you actually scroll up and READ and COMPREHEND what I suggested).

Until you can think of a valid reason it would be a bad change just shut up.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO SIT AT 120 AND QUEST FOR 10 YEARS?

[Xarlia]

What's the quest limit (if any) in third class? Elana, would camping third class be undesirable for you? Is it particularly level 120 you want to stay forever? Or just avoid the hero/archon thing?

[Minotorious]

(From Xarlia):
What's the quest limit (if any) in third class? Elana, would camping third class be undesirable for you? Is it particularly level 120 you want to stay forever? Or just avoid the hero/archon thing?

AFAIK, if a cap exists at 180, it has never been hit, and given some of the class campers at 180, and their quest totals, it seems unlikely there is one

[Cyrell]

Skimmed through the pages quickly, didn't have time to read all this BS, so forgive me if someone asked this already. If only a few people (OCD sufferers, etc.) are going to reach this quest cap every year, then why have the damn thing in the first place? Just to annoy those few people?

[Haley]

(From Dragonburner):

(From Elana):
You make me laugh - I am not the only one who would enjoy a quest alt that is not limited!

So how about you try and come up with valid reasons as to why it would be a bad change (make sure you actually scroll up and READ and COMPREHEND what I suggested).

Until you can think of a valid reason it would be a bad change just shut up.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO SIT AT 120 AND QUEST FOR 10 YEARS?

i beg your pardon ? who made you god ?

i've been following this for a while now and actually didn't want to post simply cus this is a fight against a wall.

Elana i totally agree with you but girl you might aswell give up on this , Ryan has made up his mind and agreed with the crybabies who thought it was unfair they were weaker as the people who were
A)playing since 3.2
B)put time in questing

it's not just the questing , look at the overall picture , see how other changes been made to races , skills , spells and eq , it's to "balance" the game NOT , it's to keep little crybabies their hand , by doing this forgetting more old school people have quit playing

i my self am bored out of my head on haley , i had maxed her at 120 luckly without limits due my illnes i can't archon her , seen every place on the game i can go at 240 , hate pk and get really pissed of by it , but truth is you're not allowed to play MM the way you would like your self , MM is controled by whiners who think it's all so unfair period.
for a person with OCD i guess its even more hard to accept the changes then for others so i won't tell you to just go with the flow and ignore the fools (dragonburner for one)

[Coconut]

(From Elana):
Now personally my opinion on his reason doesn't matter. I don't disagree with the limit for newer players, who may need a push or a limit to force them to discover what more MM can offer them after 60 and again after 120 (3rd class does open a lot of doors for people)


However I am against limiting players who have experienced MM and therefore are not gonna just quest to boredom (or to death). And a simple setting toggable by an immortal on 1 alt of a player with an archon or a hero doesn't seem like a huge request to me. (Although I am not saying it wouldn't be hard work to code it in, but we have the best coders in the world! In my opinion)

Every time some policy is made, there are inevitably some corner cases that get screwed. Sorry, and it sucks that way, but you and Solus seem to be caught in one of the corner cases. I don't think it'd get changed. The problem with asking for exceptions is that it can become a slippery slope for others to follow (and abuse).

I don't know much about OCD, but with the qualities you described, it seems like you can get quite a lot accomplished and accomplished -well- in life, given that you direct the energies in the right direction. You seem to possess a drive and motivation that many others don't have. So why waste it on a game? Why not channel it in the right direction, instead of letting it bog you down? Or at least... why not pick a game that's slightly less grind-intensive? =p

[Minotorious]

(From Haley):

(From Dragonburner):

(From Elana):
You make me laugh - I am not the only one who would enjoy a quest alt that is not limited!

So how about you try and come up with valid reasons as to why it would be a bad change (make sure you actually scroll up and READ and COMPREHEND what I suggested).

Until you can think of a valid reason it would be a bad change just shut up.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO SIT AT 120 AND QUEST FOR 10 YEARS?

i beg your pardon ? who made you god ?

i've been following this for a while now and actually didn't want to post simply cus this is a fight against a wall.

Elana i totally agree with you but girl you might aswell give up on this , Ryan has made up his mind and agreed with the crybabies who thought it was unfair they were weaker as the people who were
A)playing since 3.2
B)put time in questing

it's not just the questing , look at the overall picture , see how other changes been made to races , skills , spells and eq , it's to "balance" the game NOT , it's to keep little crybabies their hand , by doing this forgetting more old school people have quit playing

i my self am bored out of my head on haley , i had maxed her at 120 luckly without limits due my illnes i can't archon her , seen every place on the game i can go at 240 , hate pk and get really pissed of by it , but truth is you're not allowed to play MM the way you would like your self , MM is controled by whiners who think it's all so unfair period.
for a person with OCD i guess its even more hard to accept the changes then for others so i won't tell you to just go with the flow and ignore the fools (dragonburner for one)

So you maxxed her at 120, and are now bored at hero, because you have nothing to do...

so than you see the reason for not quest camping infinitely?

[Haley]

(From Dragonburner):
So you maxxed her at 120, and are now bored at hero, because you have nothing to do...

so than you see the reason for not quest camping infinitely?

No you fool i'm bored cus i cant quest unlimited any more cus dumb crybabies like you ruined it i will not be forced to run from one place to another to be granted 6 quest been there done that got the damn t-shirt , you know how stupid it is to delete a char with 20k quest points just cus she hit 1k quests ? and yes i have done so simply cus i dont use alts to help haley

[Minotorious]

(From Haley):

(From Dragonburner):
So you maxxed her at 120, and are now bored at hero, because you have nothing to do...

so than you see the reason for not quest camping infinitely?

No you fool i'm bored cus i cant quest unlimited any more cus dumb crybabies like you ruined it i will not be forced to run from one place to another to be granted 6 quest been there done that got the damn t-shirt , you know how stupid it is to delete a char with 20k quest points just cus she hit 1k quests ? and yes i have done so simply cus i dont use alts to help haley

...I support untimered questing....i do not support unlimited questing at low levels..

You dont have to run anywhere, theres 3 questmasters in sepharia 60 seconds from each other.

cry cry cry. bitch bitch bitch. moan moan moan. whine whine whine.

[Chyribdus]

Ok, finally got caught up again. Few points:

1) DB, your an idiot. You gave numbers and then ignored them. I believe you said 26100 pp from quests, marks, and leveling then 25000 (roughly) for all possible skills from 2 classes. Then you proceeded to call people idiots for not having vital stats like vitality, wisdom, knowledge, and luck maxed. Your calculations only left enough pracs open to train stats a total of 12 times, so, between the 4 i just named, 3 times each.

2) Elana, I understand the issue with OCD, but at the same time, the limit was imp'd because of people like Valient who had their racial max hp at level 60 and was absolutely unkillable by someone of the same level, and even most 120's. I personally wouldnt be against an exception made for a single alt to be able to quest unlimited with the following exceptions. Unable to mail quest items from your alt to your other characters. Unable to initiate pk.

[Minotorious]

(From Chyribdus):
Ok, finally got caught up again. Few points:

1) DB, your an idiot. You gave numbers and then ignored them. I believe you said 26100 pp from quests, marks, and leveling then 25000 (roughly) for all possible skills from 2 classes. Then you proceeded to call people idiots for not having vital stats like vitality, wisdom, knowledge, and luck maxed. Your calculations only left enough pracs open to train stats a total of 12 times, so, between the 4 i just named, 3 times each.

2) Elana, I understand the issue with OCD, but at the same time, the limit was imp'd because of people like Valient who had their racial max hp at level 60 and was absolutely unkillable by someone of the same level, and even most 120's. I personally wouldnt be against an exception made for a single alt to be able to quest unlimited with the following exceptions. Unable to mail quest items from your alt to your other characters. Unable to initiate pk.

Except, My numbers were a MINIMUM number of practices you can expect to get.

with a MAXIMUM number of practices it should take.

[Haley]

numbers numbers you people want numbers here are some

i'm a new person i never played MM before marks ? what are marks ? questing ? errmm whats questing ? friends who can explain ,,,, i'm new i have no friends yet , a clan 7 wonderfull lets ask there

[clan] what are marks ? and how works questing ?
[clan] player A says 'you dumb n00b '
[clan] player B says 'are you stupid or what'
etc etc
if you lucky 1 person is kind enough to point to a help file , thank you kind person to bad there not more like you i quit.

there you have your numbers do i need to say more ?

[Minotorious]

(From Haley):
numbers numbers you people want numbers here are some

i'm a new person i never played MM before marks ? what are marks ? questing ? errmm whats questing ? friends who can explain ,,,, i'm new i have no friends yet , a clan 7 wonderfull lets ask there

[clan] what are marks ? and how works questing ?
[clan] player A says 'you dumb n00b '
[clan] player B says 'are you stupid or what'
etc etc
if you lucky 1 person is kind enough to point to a help file , thank you kind person to bad there not more like you i quit.

there you have your numbers do i need to say more ?

Except, i'm more than happy to help newbs with miniquests/marks/etc...

[Solus]

Except, My numbers were a MINIMUM number of practices you can expect to get.

with a MAXIMUM number of practices it should take.

:roll: No they are not. I've already pointed this out.

[Grynn]

As a first class rogue(like Elana) who wanted to train everything(hey, what else is there to do?), it only took 740 quests to train:

every skill
my main stat
3 other stats
hp by 200(to make an even 500)

oh, and saved 600 for multi


btw, this is a game, if you let your compulsion control you here, it won't be fun, everything's not even, everything won't come out perfectly, just do something new if you want to stay low level and can't quest

If you can't have fun without being obsessed and getting a specific amount of work done, then it's just that: Work.