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#1 Guest_jazelle_*

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Posted 09 July 2000 - 03:04 AM

This has got to be the last straw with Empire. Their URL goes to a porn site.

At some point here Rules need to be inforced.
Bring back the Clan Council.

#2 Raistlin

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Posted 09 July 2000 - 07:38 AM

No kidding. C'mon here imms. Delete them! You deleted Aymisbf, my old char whom I have no remade, for posting a porn pic for his, in the registry! The same fate should come to suffer for Empire for doing almost the same thing!!

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Posted 12 July 2000 - 02:58 AM

I agree 102%. Not only did Empire put a URL that leads to a site containing pornography in their clan info, they forced Jazelle to type 'clan info 59', and then launch her browser to go to the site and look at the images. ENFORCE THE RULES! DELETE EMPIRE AND ALL THE MEMBERS AND SITEBAN THEM!

#4 Kodo

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Posted 12 July 2000 - 09:29 PM

Did you see something you were jelous of Jazelle?

p.s. your ignorance feeds our hate

#5 Azmodan

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Posted 12 July 2000 - 09:38 PM

I see nothing wrong with this, as the webpage shows n nudity uless yo pay for membership and login yourself. Now i dont think empire made yo take your visa and purchase a 2 year membership so please, feel free to stfu. As for Raistlin, he's a moron that talks about how oldschool he is o has been playing, and abou how smart he is, when in reality he's been plying for 2 years in november same as me, and is some 15 year old kid from idaho or ohio or some inbred state. Please, if you want to settle something do it in-game, this is a ROLEPLAYING environment, not a plce for you to vent your adolescent frustrations Jordan. So i would appreciate it if you would not talk about me or my virtuous clan members.
And just so everyone knows, here are the empire clan rules:

"Absolutely NO profanity whatsoever.
You must respect every immortal, they're better then us.

Botting is illegal. Don't do it.
Multiplaying is a sin, therefor don't do it.
Don't kill anyone thats not close to your level, newbies deserve a chance too.

Don't kill unless your attacked first, we don't need enemies.

Always be honest.

Never steal or rob anyone.

No sexually explicit material either, this is a family game.
Most of all respect Enigma,Cabal,Phoenix,CoP, and espescially Pyros, they were here before us and are very powerful

- Azmodan"


Ok, that should clear it up, thank you!
- AZ

#6 Kodo

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Posted 13 July 2000 - 02:01 AM

Did you see something you were jelous of Jazelle?

p.s. your ignorance feeds our hate

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Posted 13 July 2000 - 08:13 AM

jazalle or whatever your name is spelled, how stupid do you have to be to go to a porn site, i mean busty-amatuers.com is a pretty apparent porn site yet you went to it, my suggestion, stfu, u got mad cause you had to probably pay for a free pre-view ;)
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Posted 14 July 2000 - 07:03 AM

Azmodan, get a clue there are laws in RL that state no person under the age of 18 is to be allowed to view pornography! As for having to join to see porn that is a lie i just checked and you can see plenty in the samples. If Empire does not want some sort of criminal charges brought against the leaders i would refrain from putting the URL in plain sight of minors! As for putting that crap in thier own clan members only area I am all for letting them as long as the rest of us do not have to hear about it ever again

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Posted 14 July 2000 - 08:25 AM

Stormhawk, catch a clue. If you can't figure out that www.busty-amateurs.com or whatever it was is a porn site, then you have have more things to worry about than the Empire kids. I mean, if you're going to call them out for trying to direct people to porn sites, you might as well shut down Yahoo and just about every web engine in the world because they all offer access to porn. YOU're the one breaking the law if you access smut and you're underage, not the people providing it. Every site's got a disclaimer or an age check to cover their asses, so the blame's all on you.

#10 Raistlin

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Posted 14 July 2000 - 08:54 AM

Pst, Azmodan, first off, I'm 16, and it's IDAHO. :P.
Second off, you're not much better, as I recall, you came into MG at the exact same time, a day or 2 later, then I did. Therefor, according to the myths in which you believe in, you have no right to attempt to insult me. I also suggest, that you don't get me started on YOU. I can rant and rave for hours upon hours, talking about "deeds" you've done, and "deeds" you've SAID you've done... Therefor, remember, everytime you think of an insult to me, remember that it applies to yourself as well...

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Posted 15 July 2000 - 05:01 AM

Funny...after all this debate about Empire I'm walking away having a heck of alot more respect for them. I mean, everyone hates them, but they are still here, and thriving no less. Their humor may be rather low and crass, but its definately not illegal (lets shut down my town library: it actually carries porn mags and has them archived back for decades!).

Oh, and when you make a new character you get to see this, and have to agree to it or you are playing illegally:

"You acknowledge that messages, both from the system and from players,
may be offensive in content and agree not to bring any action of any kind
against either the System Operators or other users of the system as a
result of the messages and their contents available on this system. Some
messages are intended for users 18 years of age or older, it is up to the
users sole discretion in the material you access on this system. The
System Operators and Immortals DISCLAIM any and all responsibility for the
results due to the accessing of this material by under age users."

So by making your character you agree to deal with the fact that there is stuff in here intended for adults only. Check out the working brothels for verification of this...

Ultamately, it seems that the major complain against Empire is that they tend to be good. Why do I believe this to be true? Because I've seen people get up in arms against me on the simple basis of skill, but since thats a really stupid thing to hate somebody for they have to find other things to attack them for. Perhaps they are not the absolute best, and perhaps they don't win every engagement, but the fact that they have power, know it, and use it whenever they can is hardley a crime. If it pisses you off that they CPK you, then get them back, but as of yet I have to side with Kodo in that I havn't seen or heard of with evidence of a single *real* crime that they've commited outside of arrogance.

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Arrogant 2cd Classer of Tellerium who never expected to end up actually defending Empires position...

#12 Gomar

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Posted 15 July 2000 - 05:24 AM

Empire cheat alot. The clan has been deleted before, also some of the chars in it. I've seen them cheat, but I wont go into details here because it'll only cause more trouble than it's worth to convince people that just because someone doesnt come out on a message board and point the finger at Empire and put out exact crimes, and just because you havent wittnessed it yourself, that doesnt mean it isnt there.

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Posted 15 July 2000 - 06:12 AM

Well, what more do I have to work with than what I know? Its all good and well to say they cheat, but then its your word against theirs, and frankly I'm not going to decide which way I want to go (perhaps it will be skew and make nobody happy, which would be my norm) on the basis of the vague posturing and finger pointing thats gone on so far. Empires defence, and it is valid, is that nobody will come out and say anything real. There are a few minor complaints, but thus far each one I've seen turned out to be things that arn't actually illegal, just perhaps annoying to the people targeted by thier attacks.

Some people fight to win. I'm one of them. I've been told that tactics I've used before are 'cheap' or 'cheating' (blinding my foe is cheating? huh?) but its not a reason to be deleted. Thus far *as far as I've seen* this is what is being asked for.

If people are so scared of Empire that they won't speak out against them, then in my mind they have already won everything they could want. They seem rather open with the fact that the point of their clan is to inspire terror and promote their own power, and right now it looks like they might be the most successful people in this game at achieving a concrete goal, such as that.

So if you arn't scared of them, then do please speak out. To do anything less is to say they've won, and I would have my respect for them drop alot if it came out that they didn't have any oposition... I too would hate to ever discover that I was totally unaposed, since that would take all the fun out of it.

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#14 Cerridwen

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Posted 15 July 2000 - 02:52 PM

I havn't recently seen Empire cheat as in botting and what not. Everyone in this mud has botted a group of friends around the lake kraken hunting and don't deny it. If you weren't leading you were certainly following. Only thing I can think of that you can truly hate Empire for is sexually harassing others, harrasing them, or just flat out disrespect for others. I'm sure alot of others have witnessed acts as these. You CAN hate Empire for those reasons, I know alot of you would be pissed off too. Know I have an idea a few are thinking that incidents as those are just personal and have nothing to do with you. Well that's all fine untill your ass starts whining about what Empire did to you. Seems everyone complains about the people whining about a topic, but then it's supposed to matter when it happens to them? It's all the same to me, sure I could work my ass off and go after Empire and kill them. All they do is kill and it's the only place you can get back at them anyways. (wow this is long) Now if I can only remeber what the point of this post was. Alright it does look silly to point fingers, but you CAN hate Empire. You can hate them for sexually harrasing you or another. You can hate Empire for harrasing you and friends. You can hate Empire for their disrespect for everything. I don't think using Empire should be respected if they can't use power properly. Alot of you I believe have witnessed it before.

Sorry this just interested me. Pardon all typos, I don't feel like doing a spell check. I just wanted to post.
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Posted 15 July 2000 - 04:44 PM

lol gomar stfu

u have seen us cheat but your not going to say anything because you dont wanta point fingers

man you crack me up



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Posted 15 July 2000 - 04:48 PM

"you can truly hate Empire for is sexually harassing others"

dont be so stupid, if we were SEXUALLY HARASSING ppl like u said, vass would cum down on us like a brick

man, why do ppl insist on stupidity



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Posted 15 July 2000 - 07:22 PM

Ok I waited for a while to see who all responded. So far as usual most Empire member do so with childish taunts.

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#18 Cerridwen

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Posted 15 July 2000 - 09:44 PM

It isn't stupidity it's the facts. Vass and other Imms just don't do shit, and everyone gets away with whatever they want. Half the rules should'nt even be there anymore. The multiplaying, the harassment, the profanity, all should just be deleted. They seem more like a joke. And yes Empire members have sexually harassed others. I would name a few, but I don't have thier permission. The childish insults and all are a disrespect of others. I can understand if it's provoked, but I rarely see anyone go up to any Empire member and say (sorry but this is to prove a point)"your a mother fuckin cock sucker" do you? No one on this MUD asks for a verbal beating (unless they have had many personal incidents before and are known to hate each other with a passion.) Maybe you can see the disrespect Empire shows? If you still don't then your either so disgusted with them you don't even care, your easily influenced when people change words around and lie through their teeth, or you just like to curse alot and kill people. Since many have said that Empire wants a clan war, how much longer will that wait be??

#19 Azmodan

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Posted 16 July 2000 - 05:58 AM

Sveth: stay as intelligent as you are now and you wont be limited game wise.

Jazelle: I've been playing for 2 1/2 years, im not near oldschool, nor do i claim to be, but the game is rather boring at the moment, as a clan we have tamed every area, have no eq needs whatsoever, and can win in pk if we apply ourselves as proven time after time (not because we're the _MOST_ powerful, although i do think player for player we are, but because we're united and work together) im sure most of the really oldschool people (minus pechini who still doesnt have over 2.2kHP) are as bored as i am. Bored breeds Mischief, argue all you want its a fact of life. All i have to do is quest and kill people, questing isnt exciting at all because i need none of the items and the quests are overly repetitive and boring, killing people i do daily. The new stuff promises to make the game more enjoyable but who knows? I try to make suggestions when i can. Did empire get half as many people on our ass when 4.0 FIRST came out? we had the SAME members, only there was stuff to DO. I'm not saying what we do isnt low-class or vulgar, but thats the point. None of which merits deletion and i think Vassago understands which is why he's NOT being bitchy and riding our asses 24/7, because he knows its boring for the people that have done everything there is to do, which is why he's tweaking like a mad man, working on 2+ zones and coding CTF. So until you find a valid point to argue on, please shut up :>
- Azmodan

ps: Calina works as a website designer, Eckis can get a domain and host, i know some flash/html/dhtml and we have 234234234 hookups for graphics, so yes, let's have a webpage contest :>

#20 Gomar

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Posted 16 July 2000 - 06:55 AM

Calina, I never said I didnt want to point fingers. If someone wants to know what I know, they can ask me in game. I said that I wasnt going to post it here because it's not worth the trouble it'd cause.

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#21 Raistlin

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Posted 16 July 2000 - 10:16 AM

As many of you know, and as I have said before in the past.. Boredom can be a fun thing.
It's what got me acquanted with many people on this game, and it's also what's earned me many worthy adversaries *sp?*, but the point is, boredom comes far too often on this game. why, just look at the length of this forum thread! At least 20 replies! You think people would leave it already.. but no, boredom strives them on, that, or like some ppl (Jazelle), are trying to prove a point.
Azmodan, though your clan might be able to put together a good webpage, and make it look good, the only problem would be, getting the information. Sure, you could do the stuff most other people try : Equipment stats, Worldgate info, Coordinates to every town in Alyria, PG info, Verity info, clan rules, info, stats, history, member info, clan requested/foundation date, links to other mg webpages, to mg itself, a telnet link to mg, catchy images which promote Empire, catchy images which promote your allies, catchy images which promote MG, a message board in which only your clan can post in, or for everybody. That's basically, all I can imagine that somebody could put on their webpage. There's no other information that I know of, except for "Secrets", like the little-known tricks you guys use so often, :P, but I don't think you'd be sharing those.. What makes a webpage good, is either using the above info, in a way never before seen, or adding different info which nobody else has seen. That's another thing in which the immortals judge webpages..
So, before my reply gets any longer, lemme just say to remember the past. Remember how Dragon used to be? Empire is that, only 3 times worse, if you don't like 'em, ignore them, like I do sometimes, or if you do like them, kindly don't spam the messageboard on how much they rule, kill others, and so on...

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Posted 16 July 2000 - 02:35 PM

So Empire has just been deleted once and suspended 2 or 3 times because of immortal jokes?

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Posted 19 July 2000 - 11:32 AM

hey guys i hate to break it to you but clan variable my clan. Our url takes you to busy ametuers are porn site. And what no one has said anything about that. So lay off.

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Posted 20 July 2000 - 07:41 AM

The point everyone truely seems to miss is the fact that Empire will never be punished for cheating, harassing, targeting individuals, exploiting bugs, botting. Vassago created a pk game, and uses Empire to spur pk, he can't do that if they're deleted.

Jazelle, while I agree, there is honestly no point to the suggestion. There's no reason to invite a clan with a boatload of alts to harass you 24/7. Best thing to do is move on...mark my words, thier url will still be there, and you'll find yourself frustrated and beaten up, and the more rightous you get the more others in the game will batter you, the more the imm's will mistrust your word.

Fact is, in my opinion, Empire is nothing, add an asterisk to everything they accomplish, every kill they get <*cheated to get there) Best way to fight them is ignore them. Best way to win is discount thier involvement. Once you realize that everything they spew is misinformation, it's easy to get on with the task of killing mobs for gold, eq and entertainment. They'll have you believe that everything they say is fact...how many of you believe I have less then 2.2k hp's just because Azmodan posted it. To me it's just proof that he's truely clueless and has a much harder time pulling off the whole misinformation thing then the rest of them.

It's all a facade....

Pechini


#25 Jaxxon

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Posted 21 July 2000 - 02:16 AM

Jazelle, you're absolutely right. Empire is just a bunch of losers who play for the sole purpose of annoying ppl. But I have to admit, there has to be some kind of evil force in the game otherwise it would be downright boring. Maybe I say this because I too am a under 21 and by your definitions not considered an adult, however I'm not bent on making everyone's MG experience a living hell. I also, as hard as it is for some to believe play a great deal in order to help people. Hell maybe I'm just weird...

You have to remember that the clans you listed, including enigma aren't exactly goody goody. I'm not saying they shouldn't be respected, because indeed they were here for a long time, Yet, many members still play simply to obtain a good character, some even cpk random newbies for eq, some do it in the most cheap ways, using complex triggers and duped eq.

I've played for a long time as well and I've seen many things. I can say one good thing about empire. They know what their agenda is. Unfortunately Enigma hasn't quite figured that one out.